Tuesday saw senior staff from the city of Jacksonville locked in negotiations with representatives from the Jacksonville Association of Firefighters.

Spoiler alert: those negotiations won’t be wrapped up in time for Thanksgiving. The fire union seems to prefer switching to the Florida Retirement System’s pension plan; the city likes defined contribution.

That is a huge gap.


Collective bargaining has become a focus of the Lenny Curry administration, especially in light of the August referendum that requires closing of the current plans for new hires to unlock a guaranteed revenue stream years from now, from a half-cent sales tax that otherwise would sunset.

Union heads and city leaders presented a united front in getting approval for the referendum in Tallahassee, and in marketing the referendum in August.

However, collective bargaining is where the rubber hits the road. And what is clear is that the defined contribution model pushed by Curry and the fourth floor of City Hall is at cross purposes with at least one union, which sees the security of defined benefit pensions as essential to recruit and retain quality workers.

Jacksonville Association of Fire Fighters head Randy Wyse laid the facts on the table Tuesday in collective bargaining with the city.

The proposed pension agreement from the city of Jacksonville, offering defined contribution plans for new hires, is not good for his department.

Wyse noted the media had examined the proposal, which came as a “shock to a lot of firefighters.”

“Looks like a lot of people have looked at the plan,” Wyse said, name dropping The American Spectator magazine and Americans for Prosperity.

Wyse noted his union has played ball with the city for nine years, pointing out that firefighters took a 2 percent pay cut in the John Peyton administration, and supported “whatever the pension fund agreed to.”

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